tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3972341677303007200.post4564376062745560314..comments2023-04-01T01:44:29.806-07:00Comments on Ramblings of Lista: Response to a Comment about Hare KrishnaListahttp://www.blogger.com/profile/11590249616509349170noreply@blogger.comBlogger40125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3972341677303007200.post-17368530100644811332013-04-23T06:52:54.073-07:002013-04-23T06:52:54.073-07:00Agreed.Agreed.BB-Idahohttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01388509941702241290noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3972341677303007200.post-48462217399645710792013-04-22T20:37:51.635-07:002013-04-22T20:37:51.635-07:00Everyone is Responsible for their Own Behavior.Everyone is Responsible for their Own Behavior.Listahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11590249616509349170noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3972341677303007200.post-38188005212256917982013-04-22T16:57:44.573-07:002013-04-22T16:57:44.573-07:00No analogies, just talking about workers, bosses a...No analogies, just talking about workers, bosses and where the<br />"buck stops". As for the God<br />analogy, is He not as responsible for Jimmy Swaggart as St. Francis?<br />...or are they responsible for their own behavior?BB-Idahohttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01388509941702241290noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3972341677303007200.post-28679281731344982192013-04-22T15:55:19.196-07:002013-04-22T15:55:19.196-07:00At first Glance, I thought that you were being Rep...At first Glance, I thought that you were being Repetitious, yet I guess you did Turn that around some didn't you? It's just that Brenda was Talking about not Blaming God or Jesus for the Behavior of Jimmy Swaggart. I'm not entirely Certain, though, what your Comment is referring to.Listahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11590249616509349170noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3972341677303007200.post-1980126770691477492013-04-22T15:26:33.001-07:002013-04-22T15:26:33.001-07:00We should never blame the workers for their boss.We should never blame the workers for their boss.BB-Idahohttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01388509941702241290noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3972341677303007200.post-5304382981300082662013-04-21T08:30:59.165-07:002013-04-21T08:30:59.165-07:00Thanks, Brenda. That is a Very Good Word.Thanks, Brenda. That is a Very Good Word.Listahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11590249616509349170noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3972341677303007200.post-80448375089871754192013-04-21T01:29:41.988-07:002013-04-21T01:29:41.988-07:00Just a thought as I was reading BB's last comm...Just a thought as I was reading BB's last comment:- We should never blame the boss for His workers.Brendahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16165344093549650260noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3972341677303007200.post-38564833854829396672013-04-19T08:58:30.488-07:002013-04-19T08:58:30.488-07:00You know, Interestingly, BB, your Comment sounds j...You know, Interestingly, <b>BB</b>, your Comment sounds just a little like an Attack on Christianity. It is not an Argument about what is Truth, but instead about what Negative Things can be said about a Particular Person. I was just talking to someone about how what People Talk about is a Reflection of how Intelligent the Conversation is.<br /><br />The Highest Level is Ideas, the Next Level Down is Events and the Lowest Level is People. Since I know that you are an Intelligent Person, <b>BB</b>, I also know that you could talk on the Highest of these Levels if you Tried.<br /><br />Please don't take that as an Insult, BB, I'm trying to Complement you by telling you that I believe that you are Capable of much Better.<br /><br />The Purpose of <b>my 11:38 AM Comment, Yesterday</b> was not to Attack Hinduism. I read it again just to make sure and the Purpose was to show Evidence that Satyavati is not in Agreement with the Teachings of Jesus, even though she claims that she is. Hinduism was not even the Subject being discussed there.<br /><br />There was a Specific Purpose for every one of my Comments and I do not Recall the Purpose of Attacking Hinduism ever being one of them.<br /><br />I guess I'll be Bold and Ask you to Tell me which of my Comments you think might of been Offensive and then I can Explain the real Reason for the Comment and even Apologize if Necessary.Listahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11590249616509349170noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3972341677303007200.post-7399385770839207182013-04-19T08:41:52.225-07:002013-04-19T08:41:52.225-07:00I've decided to Combine some of the shorter Co...I've decided to Combine some of the shorter Comments that I Wrote Yesterday into two Longer Ones to Make room for more Comments before we reach the place where I generally stop at #40.<br /><br />Actually, <b>Satyavati</b>, I <b>HAVE</b> Presented an Objective and Logical Argument for the fact that Yahweh/Jehovah and Krishna are not the same Person. You are just not Willing to Hear it.<br /><br /><i>"Because of the faith you hold, you are required to believe that they are."</i><br /><br />You are again proclaiming that you know my Motives for Believing as I do, but you do not.<br /><br />Go Ahead and <i>"Part Ways"</i>, Satyavati. Perhaps a day or two of Space from each other would be Nice and would give us each a chance to Take a Breath.<br /><br />There is Hypocrisy within every Religion, <b>BB</b>, just as we have Discussed many Times and I Think that it is quite Convenient that you used Pentecostals, rather than just Christians when making this Comparison. Who says I'm Attacking anyone. If I am, I do not Mean to. I'm Defending my Own Faith and Explaining how it Differs from the Faith of someone else who is Continually Commenting here.<br /><br />Certainly, you are not going to say that the Blog Author should remain Silent on her own Blog and not see to it that the Religion that she believes in is fully Presented, on her own Blog. Just think for a Minute about what you are suggesting.<br /><br />There is a Statement that I do not Believe in and that I will not Allow to Stand unchallenged on my Blog and that is the Statement that <i>"All Paths Lead to God"</i>. I have every Right to Stand Against that Statement and should not Be Accused of Attacking anyone if I do Stand against that Statement. I have a Right to Both Believe and Defend that Position, Especially on my Own Blog and am not Pursuing nor Forcing anyone to Read or Listen to me.Listahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11590249616509349170noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3972341677303007200.post-11501581677799629382013-04-18T15:44:18.987-07:002013-04-18T15:44:18.987-07:00There are 279,000,000 Pentecostals & 1,000,000...There are 279,000,000 Pentecostals & 1,000,000,000 Hindus-so we may assume something compelling about<br />that eastern religion..rather than attack it. As far as breaking commandments, we note the famous<br />Pentecostal TV rich preacher dude,<br />Jimmy Swaggart. When caught with a prostitute in 1988, he cried and repented on TV. When caught AGAIN<br />in 1991 he said "The Lord told me<br />it's flat none of your business".<br />One of those do as I say and not as I do things? ...or perhaps another of the tediously long line of 'wolves in sheep's clothing?<br />(..and perhaps why there are also<br />1,000,000,000 agnostics in the world as well)<br />BB-Idahohttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01168862935045755393noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3972341677303007200.post-26126758177722073172013-04-18T13:32:43.163-07:002013-04-18T13:32:43.163-07:00First of all, like I said, God has unlimited names...First of all, like I said, God has unlimited names. To think otherwise is to place Him under limits. God is by definition limitless in all ways.<br />You can call Him Yahweh, YHWH, Jehovah, Krishna, Govinda, Gopala, Syamasundara, the list goes on and on. In the same way that God has unlimited qualities He has unlimited names to describe those qualities.<br /><br />So since we've already proven that there is no objective, logical argument that does or does not prove that the Bible is true and all other Scriptures false, there is equally no objective, logical argument that proves that Jehovah and Krishna are in any way different.<br /><br />Because of the faith you hold you are required to believe that they are, but there isn't any objective standard you can appeal to in order to prove it.<br /><br />So you and I will have to part ways in this case, Lista, is all.<br />Satyavati devi dasihttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13980257934310271457noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3972341677303007200.post-21276925590581251412013-04-18T11:50:49.342-07:002013-04-18T11:50:49.342-07:00Also, since Jesus had no Intention of Doing away w...Also, since Jesus had no Intention of Doing away with the Law or the Prophets from the Old Testament, the Introduction of Christianity was not a New <i>"Fad"</i>. Instead it was a Continuation of what Began as Judaism.Listahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11590249616509349170noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3972341677303007200.post-36260728231397380942013-04-18T11:43:45.249-07:002013-04-18T11:43:45.249-07:00Oophs... The Reference for "Thou shalt have ...Oophs... The Reference for <i><b>"Thou shalt have no other gods before Me."</b></i> is <b>Exodus 20:3, KJV</b>.<br />Listahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11590249616509349170noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3972341677303007200.post-88048499649283421562013-04-18T11:38:17.538-07:002013-04-18T11:38:17.538-07:00Jesus' Teachings include the 10 Commandments.
...Jesus' Teachings include the 10 Commandments.<br /><br /><i>"16) And, behold, one came and said unto Him, 'Good Master, what good thing shall I do, that I may have eternal life?' 17) And He said unto Him, 'Why callest thou Me good? There is none good but one, that is, God, but if thou wilt enter into life, keep the commandments.' 18) He saith unto him, 'Which?' Jesus said, 'Thou shalt do no murder, Thou shalt not commit adultery, Thou shalt not steal, Thou shalt not bear false witness, 19) Honour thy father and thy mother; and, Thou shalt love thy neighbour as thyself."</i> (<b>Matthew 19:16-19, KJV</b>)<br /><br />This may not be the Complete List, yet Jesus knew that the one he was talking to did know the 10 Commandments.<br /><br />In another Place, Jesus says, <i>"17) Think not that I am come to destroy the law, or the prophets. I am not come to destroy, but to fulfill. 18) For verily I say unto you, <b>'Till heaven and earth pass, one jot or one tittle shall in no wise pass from the law, till all be fulfilled. 19) Whosoever therefore shall break one of these least commandments, and shall teach men so, he shall be called the least in the kingdom of heaven</b>, but whosoever shall do and teach them, the same shall be called great in the kingdom of heaven. 20) For I say unto you, That except your righteousness shall exceed the righteousness of the scribes and Pharisees, ye' shall in no case enter into the kingdom of heaven.'"</i> (<b>Matthew 5:17-20, KJV</b>)<br /><br />The Very First of the Ten Commandments is <i>"3) Thou shalt have no other gods before Me."</i><br /><br />And yet in another Place, Jesus says, <i>"24) No man can serve two masters, for either he will hate the one, and love the other, or else he will hold to the one, and despise the other. Ye' cannot serve God and mammon."</i> (<b>Matthew 6:24, KJV</b>)<br /><br />So you see, by Breaking the First of the 10 Commandments, you <b>ARE</b> in Disagreement with Jesus' Teaching. You are just not Willing to Admit it. Since <b>Hare Krishna and Yahweh/Jehovah are not the Same Person</b>, you are breaking the Very First of the 10 Commandments, are Chanting the Wrong Name and are Serving another God besides Jehovah and this is against the Teaching of Jesus.Listahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11590249616509349170noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3972341677303007200.post-83147739108778971202013-04-18T03:19:24.492-07:002013-04-18T03:19:24.492-07:00Because I don't feel like I need to be persuad...Because I don't feel like I need to be persuaded of anything.<br /><br />The fact of not nominally 'being a Christian' doesn't mean that I take any issue or have any disagreement with Jesus or His teachings, and as far as I'm concerned there is no dilemma or dichotomy with chanting Hare Krishna at the same time. I don't see why one cannot do both, and so I do.<br /><br />That's all.<br /><br />Satyavati devi dasihttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13980257934310271457noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3972341677303007200.post-56337507393793917822013-04-17T21:01:08.843-07:002013-04-17T21:01:08.843-07:00I Wonder why it is that you Keep saying this. If ...I Wonder why it is that you Keep saying this. If it was me, simply saying that I have no Problems with those who Follow Christ would be an Understatement, because I Greatly Appreciate what Christ did and to say that I have no Problems with Him would be far less than saying that I Greatly Appreciate Him. It just seems odd to me that a person could do anything other than Appreciate what Christ did and the Phenomenal Love that He has Expressed towards all of Mankind, including you.<br /><br />I guess that what Brenda says is True in that unless you are Called by God Himself, you are not going to be Moved in a way that causes you to see the full Depth of this Message.<br /><br />I am feeling led to not say much more to you at this time, unless you feel that you have more to say to me. Meanwhile, I may eventually Finish my Thoughts on this Subject in another Post. We will have to see how God Leads.Listahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11590249616509349170noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3972341677303007200.post-46805185546980626372013-04-17T17:45:24.346-07:002013-04-17T17:45:24.346-07:00I don't have issues with Christianity, Lista.
...I don't have issues with Christianity, Lista.<br /><br />Never have.<br /><br />Satyavati devi dasihttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13980257934310271457noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3972341677303007200.post-11612330332562281202013-04-17T13:52:41.701-07:002013-04-17T13:52:41.701-07:00You have said this before, Brenda, and some would ...You have said this before, Brenda, and some would say that because it is God that both Calls and Convicts that it is a Waste of our Time to Keep Pursuing People who do not appear to be Persuadable, but then again, I'm not Pursuing anyone. I simply Post to my Blog and those who appear to be Unpersuadable come to me.<br /><br />I would love to have a Blog like yours in which Christians come together and share with each other, yet that is not what God has given me. Instead I am here Studying Diligently in the hopes that I will always have a Response to those who choose to challenge me.<br /><br />Thanks again for Commenting. It is always nice to get a Friendly Comment from a like minded soul. Thank you. Listahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11590249616509349170noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3972341677303007200.post-58606299086524138822013-04-17T13:04:57.843-07:002013-04-17T13:04:57.843-07:00It is true that no man can come to God except thro...It is true that no man can come to God except through Jesus, but it is also true that no man can come to Jesus except he is called by God. There again it is also true that God's word can not go out and return to Him void. However, it is the Holy Spirit who convinces and convicts.<br />God bless all of you.Brendahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16165344093549650260noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3972341677303007200.post-1758073685781665372013-04-17T09:13:23.480-07:002013-04-17T09:13:23.480-07:00Here is the Last of the Three Comments that I Wrot...Here is the Last of the Three Comments that I Wrote Yesterday...<br /><br />I do not Believe that Yahwey/Jehovah is the Same Person as Lord Krishna. You can disagree if you want to, yet the very First Story in the Bible about Sacrifice showed Yahwey's Initial Preference to Animal Sacrifices. Cain offered Vegetables to God and Abel Offered a Lamb. Abel's Offering was Accepted and Cain’s was not. The result of this was that Cain become so Jealous over the Ordeal that he Murdered his Brother.<br /><br /><b>The Reason for the Sacrifice of a Lamb</b> was because it was Symbolic of what was to come later in that Jesus would come and be <b>the Final Sacrifice; <i>"The Lamb of God"</i></b> that takes away the Sins of the World. And Yes, this Sacrifice was so Holy and Complete that afterwards, <b>no further Sacrifice was Needed.</b> In fact, the Veil of the Temple was torn in two, so that there was no longer anything separating us from the Holy of Holies, where God Himself Resides. This Opened the way for us to <i><b>"Come Boldly unto the throne of grace</b>, that we may obtain mercy, and find grace to help in time of need.”</i> (<b>Hebrews 4:16, KJV</b>)<br /><br />Christians do Pray and Ask the Lord's Blessing over our Food before we Eat, yet as to Sacrifice, <b>Christians see Sacrifice as Containing a Different purpose beyond just giving something to God.</b> Since <i>"All have sinned, and come short of the glory of God."</i> (<b>Romans 3:23, KJV</b>) and <i>"The wages of sin is death"</i> (<b>Romans 6:23a, KJV</b>), a Sacrifice was Needed that actually involved Death. In the Old Testament, the Animal Actually Takes on the Penalty of Death in our Place, so that we will not have to be put to Death because of our Sin. <b>Roman 6:23</b> goes on to say, though, that <i>"The gift of God is eternal life, through Jesus Christ our Lord."</i> (<b>Romans 6:23b, KJV</b>). When Jesus Died, He became <b>the Final Sacrifice</b>. Since He was Both Divine and also Perfect and Holy, He was all that was Needed and in His death, He Took the Penalty of Sin for the Sake of the Entire World, so that <i>"whosoever believeth in Him should not perish, but have everlasting life."</i> (<b>John 3:16b, KJV</b>) Any Scripture that does not Contain this Message, does not contain the Path to Salvation.<br /><br />If what Jesus said is True in that <i>"I am the way, the truth, and the life. No man cometh unto the Father, but by Me."</i>, then if you do not Believe this Statement, then you could have problems in the After Life. If this statement is not True, then it will be Ok for you to Believe what ever you wish, but if it is true, then there will be a Problem if all that you have Believed in is Hare Krishna. Naturally, you can Believe what you choose to, yet to Answer your Question, this is why I would love to Persuade you to Believe in the Death and Resurrection of Jesus and that the reason for this was for your Salvation.Listahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11590249616509349170noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3972341677303007200.post-78157045645323206362013-04-17T08:48:51.031-07:002013-04-17T08:48:51.031-07:00I had Told myself at one time that I wasn't go...I had Told myself at one time that I wasn't going to do more than 3 Comments in a Row with no other Comments in between, yet I keep Thinking of more things to say. Perhaps someone else will Comment and give me the Chance to Continue, or Perhaps I'll have to do another Post. Meanwhile, here is the Second of the Part Three Comment that I was Working on Yesterday.<br /><br />The God of Judaism and Christianity has been around since the Beginning of time. Just because He chose at a certain time in History to regard the Jews as His Chosen People, does not mean that that was <i>"a Passing Fad"</i>. The Jews are still God’s chosen People & no true Christian will Deny this.<br /><br />Also, just because God sent His Son to Die on the Cross, in order to Save Mankind from their Sins and to bring in a <i>"New Covenant"</i>, this also does not represent a <i>"Passing Fad"</i>. There are Old Testament Scriptures that Prophecy of these Coming Events, showing that God was involved in this <i>"Religion"</i> far before the Events took Place. And anyway, Fads are the Result of the Whims of man, not the Movement of God. Now Granted, there are Christian Groups that do Follow the Fads of man, but the True Church, at it's Core, is Committed to the Scripture that says…<br /><br /><i>"And be not conformed to this world, but be ye transformed by the renewing of your mind, that ye may prove what is that good, and acceptable, and perfect, will of God."</i> (<b>Romans 12:2, KJV</b>)<br /><br />Reformations happen, Satyavati, for the sake of Returning People back to the Original Truth. Reformations only Happen because of the Natural Tendency of Human Beings to Drift away from the Truth, so that a Correction is Needed in Order to get People Back on Track. Making Corrections, Styavati, in order to Return People to the Truth is not the Same as a <i>"Passing Fad"</i><br /><br />You keep saying, Satyavati, that <i>"All that Matters is Establishing a Relationship with Himself."</i> That is Hare Krishna. You say that as if your Belief System has a Patent on that Idea and no other Belief System had made that Claim, but you couldn't be more wrong, for Christians will say exactly the same thing, which is that <i><b>"Christianity is not so much about Religion, but about a Relationship with Jesus Christ."</b></i> I strongly Believe this and have also heard it said many times by many Christians.<br /><br />So now let me ask you this… Is it really Fair for you to Insist that <b>Chanting and Yoga</b> is not a <i>"Religion"</i>, but a Relationship, but when Christians <b>Pray or Sing Worship Songs</b> to God, it is a <i>"Religion"</i>? Is it really Fair to Insist that you are the ones who Stress Relationship and that Christians do not? <i>"Religion"</i> is nothing more than a Word, Satyavati, that outsiders use to describe a set of Beliefs. Are you going to Deny that you have a <i>"Set of Beliefs"</i>?<br /><br />If you Believe that what really Matters is not Religious Rituals, but Relationship, then you are in Full Agreement with what Christians have been saying as well. The Difference is that the Relationship that Christians form is with Jesus Christ.Listahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11590249616509349170noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3972341677303007200.post-72117623164794549862013-04-16T18:45:11.411-07:002013-04-16T18:45:11.411-07:00Satyavati,
This time, my response to you will be S...<b>Satyavati</b>,<br />This time, my response to you will be Submitted in 3 Parts. I could Submit all Three Parts tonight, yet due to Time Restraints and Tiredness, I'm only going to Publish Part One and do the other Two Tomorrow Morning.<br /><br />Yes, <b>Satyavati</b>, I Believe that the Bible is True and because I Believe that, the Natural Result is that that which contradicts it is not True. I have every right to Believe that way and you have every right to disagree with me. Since all of the Scripture can not be True, each of us has to Choose which one we believe in. I've Chosen the one that Offers Salvation for Sins by way of <b>the Great Compassion of Christ on the Cross</b>. To me, this Amazing form of Compassion, even to the extent of the Cross, is far more <i><b>"All Attractive"</b></i> than anything written anywhere in any Holy Book.<br /><br />You said… <i>"Devotees of Krsna, on the other hand, don't care about rewards."</i> and that there are <i>"No rewards, heavenly castles or crowns needed."</i> Is this really Possible, or have all <i>"Sinned, and come short of the glory of God."</i> (<b>Romans 3:23, KJV</b>)? Based on <b>Romans 3:23</b>, some might say that what you are suggesting is not Realistic, is perhaps a little Legalistic and maybe even a bit Arrogant. That's just a thought. I certainly couldn't Live up to that. I, at times, have Motivation Problems and in my Humanness, Need Incentives in order to get myself Moving.<br /><br />Come to Think of it, a Compassionate God that is Willing to Reward and, out of Love, Give something in Return to His Followers is to me, much more <i>"All Attractive"</i> than a God that just Expects Things and is not willing to give anything back in Return. Perhaps that's just me, but I'm just saying.<br /><br />I have already explained why Christians have Concluded that the Horseman in <a href="http://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=Revelation%2019:11-15&version=NASB" rel="nofollow">Revelation 19:11-15</a> is Jesus, based on the Fact that <i><b>"His name is called The Word of God"</b></i>. This Name Leads to an Explanation that represents far more than just Convenience. Of course, All are free to read <a href="http://wwwramblingsoflista.blogspot.com/2013/04/response-to-comment-about-hari-krishna.html?showComment=1365788644742#c7318475022374775329" rel="nofollow">the Explanation</a> and Decide for themselves.<br /><br />I guess I'll say one last thing Quick relating to the Last of your two Comments. It's a little frustrating when it feels like I have to Keep Repeating myself in relation to the Validity of the Scripture Argument, but here it goes. Once again, just as I have already said in the Original Post <i>"Accuracy can not be established simply based on something’s Age and nothing else. If it could, then it would be well established that <b>the World is Flat and that the Earth is the Center of the Galaxy</b>, rather than the Sun, and any Further Knowledge that we have Accumulated on the Subject would be disregarded as an 'After Thought'."</i>Listahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11590249616509349170noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3972341677303007200.post-26285916789163416732013-04-15T12:06:33.871-07:002013-04-15T12:06:33.871-07:00One other thing I would like to point out is that ...One other thing I would like to point out is that the fact that there may be differences between the Bible and the Vedas does not mean, on an objective level, that the Bible is necessarily true and the Vedas necessarily false. It is as easy to use that flawed logic to say it is the Bible that is false and the Vedas true, especially considering that the Vedas are the oldest of scripture. I may be wrong but it appears to me that your approach to this is that if the Vedas and the Bible have a discrepancy then the Vedas are necessarily untrue. This is a flaw in logic-HOWEVER-as you accept 'Christian' as your religious designation then you are bound to this belief. On an objective level the argument has no merit, because there is no objective standard for determining one to be truth and the other not. The closest argument I could present to objectivity is to say that the Vedas were present millenia before the Bible. Other than that there is no objective standard, and the argument becomes fueled solely by subjective belief. <br /><br />And as far as 'persuading me to be a Christian'... I don't see any issues here. I can chant Hare Krsna and read the Bible and respect Lord Jesus and not have any problem at all with all of that... so why would there be any persuading necessary? What would there be left to persuade me of? To stop chanting? But why?<br />Satyavati devi dasihttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13980257934310271457noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3972341677303007200.post-28848147210927615542013-04-15T12:05:55.199-07:002013-04-15T12:05:55.199-07:00The difference here, Lista, (and if I am wrong ple...<br />The difference here, Lista, (and if I am wrong please correct me) is that you appear to believe that if the Vedas don't match the Bible then the Vedas must necessarily be wrong and therefore 'untrue'.<br /><br />Lord Kalki is the last avatar of Krishna, and comes to end Kaliyuga and begin time again. He is not Jesus; He is Krishna. The Bible does not assert that the horseman of Rev 19 is Jesus; it is convenient to make that association, but it isn't explicitly stated. However, in the Vedas, it is very clear that Lord Kalki is an avatar of Lord Sri Krsna.<br /><br />When I mention that 'religious designations' come and go with time, they do. Judaism and Christianity have been around a long time, but not forever. The Protestant Reformation, which brought with it all the endless divisions into sects and factions, was just a few hundred years ago. Other religious groups are even younger. What Krsna says is that all of these designations are actually meaningless; that all that matters is establishing a relationship with Himself, personally. 'Religious designations' are designations of man, material, not permanent. A relationship with the Supreme, on the other hand, is neither material nor impermanent.<br /><br />To the contrary, there have been times in history when animal sacrifices were common and proscribed for certain purposes. However, this proscription was given to those with a lesser understanding. We are vegetarians because in Bhagavad Gita Sri Krsna outlines what things He will accept as offerings. Dead animals are not one of them. We don't eat or take anything that has not been offered to the Lord, and if He doesn't want dead animals, then certainly we aren't going to be offering them. Beyond this is also the understanding that every living creature is a spirit soul. But you can also appreciate I am sure that it was in the OT that animal sacrifices were commanded; and that ended in the NT.<br /><br />So yes, you are absolutely right and I was mistaken in saying that the goal of bhakti yoga (Krsna consciousness) and Christianity are the same. If I understand you correctly Christians follow their religious beliefs in order to get a heavenly reward following this life. Devotees of Krsna, on the other hand, don't care about rewards. The goal, like I said, for us, is strictly to learn to love the Lord perfectly and without motive. No rewards, heavenly castles or crowns needed.<br /><br />It is a logical assumption that God can have as many names as He likes. To believe otherwise would be to place a limit on Him. Similarly it is a logical assumption that He may appear in any form and in any time or place He wishes. That is all His prerogative. So it stands to reason that He has millions of names that describe all His endless qualities. One of these names is Krishna, which means All-Attractive. No one can be more attractive than God Himself. That's just simple logic.<br /><br />Anyone can chant the names of God and associate with Him in that way. There's no previous qualification needed or any hard and fast rules or requirements. Anyone can do it; it doesn't matter what their 'religious designation' is (this is only a material designation in the end anyway) and it doesn't matter what else they're doing. They can be walking down the street, driving a car, digging a ditch, whatever. At the same time they can remember Krsna, associate with Him by chanting His name, and take another step in learning to love Him. It's really so simple, just as simple as that.<br /><br />Satyavati devi dasihttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13980257934310271457noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3972341677303007200.post-66681302437149249392013-04-12T19:06:56.710-07:002013-04-12T19:06:56.710-07:00White Horses seem to represent Power, War, Judgmen...White Horses seem to represent Power, War, Judgment and in some cases also Purity and Righteousness.Listahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11590249616509349170noreply@blogger.com