Saturday, September 18, 2010

Abortion/Pro-Choice/Do What I Want with "MY OWN BODY"

 After Collecting the Following Information for a Comment on someone else's Blog, I Decided that it was worth Repeating and would make another Good Post, so here it is; what Science has to say about the Fetus being the Woman's "OWN BODY".

"DAY 1 (Fertilization) - The sperm joins with ovum (egg) to form on cell-smaller than a grain of salt. This new life has inherited 23 chromosomes from each parent; 46 in all.  This one cell contains the complex genetic blueprint for Every Detail for human development; the child's sex, hair and eye color, height, skin tone, etc.

"From the very beginning, even the very first cell is NOT the same as the 'mother's Own Body', but instead has his or her own unique genetic identity, so the statement that the mother should have the right to decide what to do with 'Her Own Body' is not based on the facts.

"Biological dependence on does not equal actually being a part of, or the same as, that which it is depended on.  Babies continue to be quite helpless and dependent on their mother's care even after they are born.  Also, just because one living entity is physically affected by another, does not make the two entities only one entity.  Babies that are breast fed continue to be effected by the contaminates and also antibodies from the mother's body through the mother's milk.  Does that mean that the baby is still a 'part of the mother's body' even after it is born?

"as to 'shared biochemistry',......The Umbilical Cord allows antibodies, enzymes and nutrients to pass, but not the blood of the mother and baby.  The blood needs to be kept separate because quite often the baby has an entirely different blood type than the mother."


Another Interesting Thing to Note is that there was a time in our History, in which it was Argued that the Negro Slaves were not "Persons", but Property, just as we are Currently Viewing the Unborn as Property, rather than "Persons"Whenever we call them "MY OWN BODY", rather than Realizing that the Baby is a Separate Individual and "Person", we are Referring to them as Property, not Person's.

6 comments:

BB-Idaho said...

"..statement that the mother should have the right to decide what to do with 'Her Own Body' is not based on the facts.
The facts are that the
fetus is so physiologically linked, so that the relation to the
'woman's own body' is a given. Consider teratology, eg. the
effect of passage of
chemicals between mother and fetus, for example:
"A wide range of different chemicals and environmental factors are suspected or are known to be teratogenic in humans and in animals. A selected few include:

Drugs and environmental chemicals: drinking alcohol (ethanol), 13-cis-retinoic acid, isotretinoin (Roaccutane), temazepam (Restoril; Normisson), nitrazepam (Mogadon), nimetazepam (Ermin), aminopterin, androgenic hormones, busulfan, captopril, enalapril, chlorobiphenyls (PCBs), Dioxin, coumarin, cyclophosphamide, diethylstilbestrol, diphenylhydantoin (Phenytoin, Dilantin, Epanutin), ethidium bromide, etretinate, hexachlorobenzene hexachlorophene, lithium, methimazole, organic mercury, penicillamine, tetracyclines, thalidomide, trimethadione, uranium, methoxyethyl ethers, Flusilazole, valproic acid, and many more.
Ionizing radiation: atomic weapons, radioiodine, radiation therapy
Infections: cytomegalovirus, herpes virus, parvovirus B-19, rubella virus (German measles), syphilis, toxoplasmosis, Venezuelan equine encephalitis virus An easy way to remember maternal infections: TORCH- Toxoplasmosis, Other agents, Rubella, CMV and HSV.
Metabolic imbalance: alcoholism, endemic cretinism, diabetes, folic acid deficiency, iodine deficiency, hyperthermia, phenylketonuria, rheumatic disease and congenital heart block, virilizing tumors
Tobacco, Alcohol, and Caffeine"
So, when you state no blood is exchanged between
fetus and mother, you neglect a host of other
'exchanges' through the placental barrier. Perhaps
we need rethink ""From the very beginning, even the very first cell is NOT a part of the 'mother's Own Body'" ?

Lista said...

Oh BB,
What you Wrote was in Response to...

"as to 'shared biochemistry',......The Umbilical Cord allows antibodies, enzymes and nutrients to pass, but not the blood of the mother and baby. The blood needs to be kept separate because quite often the baby has an entirely different Blood Type than the mother."

I was Stressing that the Actual Blood of the Mother and Baby Needs to be Kept Separate and you are Stressing that the Antibodies, Enzymes and Nutrients do Pass Through. It is not as if I have not Already Said that. Just because you are Smart Enough to List that which does Pass through, does not Change the Fact that the Blood is Still Kept Separate and that the Blood Type of the Mother and Baby may not be the Same.

The Paragraph Above the one I just Quoted is the One that is Key, for "Biological Dependence does not Equal Actually being a Part of", or shall I say the Same Entity as "that which is depended on."

I'm sure there is a Very Long List of things that Pass From the Mother and Baby through Breast Milk as well, yet In Spite of this Fact, we are Not Allowed to Kill the Baby and the Baby, at this Point, is not Considered the Same Entity as the Mother and In Reality it Never was.

BB-Idaho said...

"we are Not Allowed to Kill the Baby and the Baby, at this Point, is not Considered the Same Entity as the Mother and In Reality it Never was."
We don't kill babies, of course we 'aren't allowed'.
We do permit abortion of fetuses, however-if the fetus is a 'separate identity', then it requires no mother. So you hint "Biological Dependence does not Equal Actually being a Part of".
Sometimes, as postpartum
it does not. If and when
a human zygote can be brought to full term outside the womb it will not be 'part of the mother'. Then you can say
"it is not Considered the Same Entity as the Mother and In Reality it Never was". As for "Just because you are Smart Enough to List that which does Pass through,"..I'm not that smart, that is why I cannot and will not make the choice for the mother...

Lista said...

"if the fetus is a 'separate identity', then it requires no mother."

By this Reasoning, if the Baby, that is one that is already Born, "is a 'separate identity', then it requires no mother." So are you Suggesting that the Baby, already Born, is not a Separate Identity because it Requires a Mother?

"I'm not that smart, that is why I cannot and will not make the choice for the mother..."

Perhaps None of us are that Smart and Therefore, should not be Making the Choice to Kill a Baby.

BB-Idaho said...

While this article may or may not bear on this discussion, there is a
TIME magazine story
http://www.momlogic.com/2010/09/how_the_first_nine_months_shape_the_rest_of_your_life.php which details the studies of fetal development OTHER THAN BIOCHEMICAL which is of interest to those who concern themselves with pre-birth phenomena. The
magazine article itself is several pages long, if you visit the library...

Lista said...

Thanks, I'll Take a Look at it.